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Judo or
Kyokushin?

In Verdun the borough's activity listing names exactly two martial arts: judo and karate. For a lot of people here this is not an abstract comparison — it is the choice on the page. The honest version is that the two do not compete for the same job, and the useful question is which job you want done first.

Two paths. Two different problems.

Karate · full contactKYOKUSHIN
VS
Olympic grappling · jacket sportJUDO
strikes · knockdown · no grabbingthrows · pins · chokes and armlocks

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§What each one actually trains

Same country, same word for the winning technique, same belts and dojo etiquette. Almost nothing else in common.

Kyokushin

Under the WKO knockdown rules the bout is settled by strikes: ippon is a technique that vigorously downs the opponent for more than three seconds, and the whole of judo's toolkit is a foul — tsukami (grabbing the dogi or a limb), kakaekomi (hugging and holding) and throws are all listed. Only the foot sweep survives inside the game, because a properly timed downward punch after one scores waza-ari. So the training goes to striking at short range, absorbing contact to the body and legs, and staying upright.

Knockdown kumiteLow kicksBody punchesFoot sweeps only

Judo

Under the International Judo Federation's rules for the 2025–2028 cycle, a contest is won by ippon, by two waza-ari, or — since the score was brought back for this cycle — on yuko, which now rewards landings on the side, the buttocks or the upper back and a five-second hold in ne-waza. Four minutes of real contest time for cadets, juniors and seniors; golden score with no time limit if tied. Leg grabbing is still a shido. Strangles and armlocks are permitted only from cadet age, and applying one in a category for under-sixteens is hansoku-make whether it works or not.

ThrowsPinsChokes and armlocksGolden score

§Kyokushin vs Judo, side by side

Rules as written by the WKO and by the IJF and its national federations for the current Olympic cycle.

Training areaKyokushinJudo
How a contest is wonIppon by downing with a strike; waza-ari for a shorter fallIppon by throw, hold or submission; waza-ari; yuko, reintroduced for 2025–2028
Grabbing the jacketTsukami is a foulThe basis of everything; all jacket grips allowed, gripping below the belt to the inner thigh allowed but penalised if used negatively
ThrowsA foulThe primary scoring action; head use to throw and reverse seoi-nage now allowed except for cadets
StrikesPunches to the body, kicks and knees at every heightEvery scoring and penalty article concerns throws, pins, strangles and armlocks; no strike appears anywhere in them
SubmissionsNoneStrangles and armlocks — from cadet age only; hansoku-make in any under-sixteen category
Contest timeTwo to three minutes with two-minute extensionsFour minutes for cadets, juniors and seniors; three for other categories; golden score unlimited
PenaltiesChui, then genten, then disqualificationTwo shido as warnings; the third is hansoku-make

§Which one should you choose?

The person who started the most-read thread on this was 32, intended to do both, and wanted to know which first. That is the right question.

Choose Kyokushin if you want

To solve the standing, striking problem first

  • To learn to hit with the whole body and to absorb hits without gloves.
  • A bout that ends on effect, not on a scoreboard of positions.
  • Kata, kihon and a graded syllabus around the fighting.
  • A dojo that is open to adults of any age from the first class.

Choose judo if you want

To solve the falling, gripping, ground problem first

  • Throws drilled against a fully resisting partner, every session.
  • To learn to fall — the skill most striking arts never teach.
  • Pins, and from cadet age, strangles and armlocks.
  • An Olympic sport with a municipal presence: in Verdun it is on the borough's own list.

The rules shape the fighter.

A practitioner with a foot in each described judo as physically harder in one specific way: nearly everything you do is against someone resisting with their whole weight. Knockdown karate is hard in the other way — nearly everything you do involves being struck. The recurring advice in these threads is to take karate first for the striking base and add judo later for throws and grip fighting, but the order is a preference, not a rule.

§Questions worth asking first

Does Kyokushin have any throws?

Not in competition. The WKO rules list throws, grabbing and holding as fouls, and only the foot sweep followed by a timed punch scores. Some dojos keep judo-derived work for advanced belts or through a cross-trained instructor, and a strand of self-defence technique from Oyama's study of Daitō-ryū exists but was never built into grading. The full account is on the page about what happened to grappling in Kyokushin.

Does judo have only ippon and waza-ari?

It did from 2017 to 2024, and an official French federation document from March 2023 still says so. It is no longer true: the IJF brought yuko back for the 2025–2028 cycle, first applied at the Paris Grand Slam in 2025. Anyone repeating the two-score version is quoting a rule that has changed.

Which is harder on the body?

Different currencies. Judo puts your whole weight against someone else's, repeatedly, and lands you on the mat many times a session. Knockdown karate puts strikes into your body and legs without gloves. People who do both report that each one exposes a weakness the other hid.

Can a child do either?

Both have children's programmes, and both restrict what children may do in competition: judo forbids strangles and armlocks under sixteen, and the Kyokushin bodies mandate protective equipment and limit head contact for juniors. The question for a parent is the same in either case — what happens in class, which no federation answers for you.

Which is better for self-defense?

Judo trains what a striking art does not: the grab, the throw and the fall. Kyokushin trains what judo does not: taking and delivering impact. No study compares them on real outcomes. The subject is treated on the page about Kyokushin and self-defense.

I’m looking for judo and karate classes in Montreal: what does the dojo offer?

Kyokushin karate only: the Nuns’ Island dojo does not teach judo, and under the WKO competition rules the dojo follows, grabbing and throwing are fouls. If you want to practise both, that means two clubs. For karate, the first class is a free trial, for children from age 4 and adults from 14.

§Keep comparing

Kyokushin vs BJJ What happened to grappling in Kyokushin? Kyokushin karate in Montreal: a beginner's guide

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The comparison only settles on the floor.

If striking is the problem you want solved first, a free trial class settles in an hour whether this is the place to do it.

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